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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.


Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
  6. PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.

    BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.

    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  7. IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.



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2006-08-18, 07:09:50
le69@gmx.at from Austria  
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Hi, all!
It seems that 'annanavsegda' (@mail.ru) is quite new in business, if she is a scammer. I got a couple of mails over the last weeks, as reply to a posting in an Austrian community. Has anyone else received mails from her?
Ludwig
2006-08-18, 07:12:46
le69@gmx.at from Austria  
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Sorry,
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Ludwig
2006-08-21, 06:42:13
anonymous from United Kingdom  
He he he! This is great! It's thanks to an overprotective and highly suspicious friend that I've just discovered I'm being scammed by 'Irina'. Not that it was working at all. 'She' contacted me through match.com and has constantly ignored my comments of 'I'm not interested in a long distance relationship'. However, 'her' emails and pictures have provided my friends and I with some great laughs! I was sucked in at all, but it's sickening that people exist who pray upon the lonely in this manner. Thank you for websites like this one, and thanks to overprotective suspicious friends! Ah well, I'm off to tell 'Irina' that her cover's blown!
2006-08-22, 06:35:45
[hidden] from Kuwait  
About IRINA

Hello there
I am glad to hear that , Tell us what was her reaction
when you told her ... Let's have some laughs!
2006-08-22, 09:46:21
anonymous from United States  
To the 'hidden' person asking about Elena or I should tell you Natasha Nagormaya or something like that ....Here is the introductory letter - see if it is the same as the one you got?

To you too thanks for the letter. In the first letter you set so many questions,
but to me certainly uneasy to answer them, because I that from whom never I
hide. I like open people which do not deceive at the first meeting.
To me of 25 years, date of a birth on May, 11, 1980, I live in Ioshkar Ola. My
city very beautiful, he has many monuments on which come to look people from all
countries of the world. I live with my grandmother, other my sisters already for
a long time are married. Them at me 2, Rolling and Masha. I at present work not
on the speciality because at us it is bad to get a job. For now I work as the
seller. I go in for sports, and I like to be engaged in it, therefore I have no
harmful habits. From music I prefer (Russian), but anything bad I have no
against foreign. The automobile at me is not present, because I am afraid to sit
down a rudder, was not found still such person who would help me to overcome my
fear. Besides in our country automobiles have everyone 30 person, as the
internal income in our country on the third or fourth place. And I as have no
computer. And I have phone. Photos too, I to you shall send them. For me the
perfect attitudes it: Openness, honesty, understanding, kindness, respect, skill
ïîìî÷ each other and the most important love. Certainly we shall correspond,
that it is better to learn each other. But I want to tell still that my visiting
of the Internet not simply so. I here in searches of the favourite person which
can be further become my HUSBAND. And now I want to ask to you the same
questions which you have set in my address. You with many conduct
correspondence? Whether is Russian among them? On it I finish the
correspondence.

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2006-08-22, 09:47:06
anonymous from United States  
To the 'hidden' person asking about Elena or I should tell you Natasha Nagormaya or something like that ....Here is the introductory letter - see if it is the same as the one you got?

To you too thanks for the letter. In the first letter you set so many questions,
but to me certainly uneasy to answer them, because I that from whom never I
hide. I like open people which do not deceive at the first meeting.
To me of 25 years, date of a birth on May, 11, 1980, I live in Ioshkar Ola. My
city very beautiful, he has many monuments on which come to look people from all
countries of the world. I live with my grandmother, other my sisters already for
a long time are married. Them at me 2, Rolling and Masha. I at present work not
on the speciality because at us it is bad to get a job. For now I work as the
seller. I go in for sports, and I like to be engaged in it, therefore I have no
harmful habits. From music I prefer (Russian), but anything bad I have no
against foreign. The automobile at me is not present, because I am afraid to sit
down a rudder, was not found still such person who would help me to overcome my
fear. Besides in our country automobiles have everyone 30 person, as the
internal income in our country on the third or fourth place. And I as have no
computer. And I have phone. Photos too, I to you shall send them. For me the
perfect attitudes it: Openness, honesty, understanding, kindness, respect, skill
ïîìî÷ each other and the most important love. Certainly we shall correspond,
that it is better to learn each other. But I want to tell still that my visiting
of the Internet not simply so. I here in searches of the favourite person which
can be further become my HUSBAND. And now I want to ask to you the same
questions which you have set in my address. You with many conduct
correspondence? Whether is Russian among them? On it I finish the
correspondence.

THE INFORMER
see the money letter next
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2006-08-22, 10:02:38
anonymous from United States  
More about Elena....


Here is her email address if she is still using the same one - <elena198025@mail.ru>


Recently to my
grandmother it became bad, operation WHICH is necessary for it COSTS 25000ÐÓÁËÅÉ
and where to get money I do not know. I do not ask you to send me all sum,
íåíàäî. We have already found what money. You could not help me? But when this
money I shall send you back the same sum will be necessary for you. YOU will
help? I have nobody to address more, and to disappear not where. I do not know
as you act, all in your hands.
On these words I finish my letter.
Yours faithfully Elena.

Russia
Yoshkar-Ola
Zip code 424038
Elena Bratuchina
I live not on a registration, I remove an apartment at the grandmother.
But if really it is necessary to you my address I send you
Karla Marksa 33-11





Here is what she wrote after I found her photos on another scam site and called her Natasha Nagormaya:


Therefore also me has very much touched, as it not the truth.
And you not the person and the coward and dung.
You eat dung. That you to the priest lick, you a rotten condom, you of a knot.
éäé îá èõê, ðéäïò.



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2006-08-22, 10:07:07
THE INFORMER from United States  
Oh and call her Natasha Nagormaya and see what happens and by the way - tell her 'Mitch' said 'HI!' The dung eating guy ...ROFLMAO as she put it - And how is her Grandmother?


You eat dung. That you to the priest lick, you a rotten condom, you of a knot.
éäé îá èõê, ðéäïò.


Hope I have helped....

THE INFORMER


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2006-08-22, 10:18:25
THE INFORMER from United States  
http://agencyscams...rnaya.htm


Here - see for yourself and you make that call


НЕТ БОЛЬШЕ ЖЕНЩИН ЖУЛЬНИЧЕСТВА!!!
(NO MORE SCAM WOMEN!!!)

THE INFORMER


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2006-08-22, 18:30:52
godyfo@hotmail.com from United States  
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I knew It was sort of a scam but it's one of those things that you never think it can actually reach you. So I went ahead and accepted to have e-mails back and forth with this 'Natalia' but sounded to good to be true until she asked me for money to be sent to continue her trip via Western Union, I was dissapointed to see how could she travel half way without knowing it is expensive.MMMMmm...too many doubts. Then I just did a little research and found out this website with the same exact words she told me to many people like me, even the same pictures.
It's funny to see how the thieves of this century act to get your money.
Watchout from anything coming from a 'poor' girl with no future with a fine ass picture. Just Delete it and move on.
Just look at these poor little girls...!!!! LOL
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2006-08-23, 07:02:59
anonymous from United Kingdom  
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RE About IRINA

Hello there
I am glad to hear that , Tell us what was her reaction
when you told her ... Let's have some laughs!

Sadly after I notified 'Irina' that her cover was blown and included a link to this site in the email I sent....I never heard back from 'her'. I'm not sure, but some of my friends think I could becuase I wished whoever it was trying to scam me to die soon. I thought it was a fair comment myself! Stilll...we've always got the emails and the memories :-)
2006-08-23, 09:37:45
anonymous from United States  
WOULD YOU FIND OUT ABOUT ALEKSANDRA DOSHINA , IM VERY SUSPICIOUS ABOUT IT ,YOUR COMMENTS WILL BE APRECIATED THANKS
2006-08-23, 20:18:43
Mrs. C from United States  
look on this page http://www.delphifa..980.shtml
post dated 2006-08-11, 10:31:32

THIS IS THE POST
Aleksandra just sent me a new email. Since the tracking program didnt give me a response, it means she hasnt read the email I sent her. I wonder if they even do.
She has also changed her name for the visa to Aleksandra Doshina. The explanation was that it is her mothers name and her step father would not allow her to use his for travel. So, beware of this new surname for the future
2006-08-24, 06:03:45
anonymous from Philippines  
Hi guys,
I just wanted to share my experience with Juliya or Juliya. I started getting e-mails from her from my 'other option' email. Its was too good to be true and seem to be very fast. Here are some of my observation:
1, She doesnt seem to refer to any of my previous messages, likes its always a new letter each time.
2. doest mind or even mentioned in reply that I have three kinds
3. doesnt mind I came from a third world country and a poor man
4. She has deeply and sincerely fallen inlove with me in three (3) email exchange, and would travel to my country immediatley
5. of course, I need to send600$ for visa processing (which I didnt)
6. And googled her name and viola, went to not-scammers.com, she didnt even change her name, and her pics are almost the same
7. She used to be from Kazan, now uses Tver russia
8. She sent me an address, but they have no phone, a although she says she e-mails from office, cant give me number at work even if I asked several times,
9. Notice two pics are doubtfully the same but get better and better (beautiful) each time
10. Some part of her messages have good english then deteriorate at some part (a form letter?)

We'll, I guess thats all I can share. Am worried coz I sent her my pictures, but then, I own a Glock.

From the Philippines.

Ardie


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2006-08-24, 06:58:32
anonymous from Kuwait  
RE About IRINA
Experience is ... The number of the mistakes we've made before .
I fond IRINA on this dating Website http://www.jumpdates.com/
her ID.'Dinarka' Here what she wrote about herself . Have fun.

Hello! My name is Dinara!I live in Russia, city Kazan. I want to get acquainted with the man, who will be a support in my life. I am 28 years old and my friends tell me that I’m nice looking woman. I want to get acquainted with a man from 29 and older. Age is not the main thing for me. The main thing is real love and mutual understanding because i’m very romantic woman! I do not notice a difference in ages. I hope only for my true love, and I hope very much that all with us will be good! I hope you agree with my terms of life and I will be happy learn more about you and to answer for all your questions that interest you. I’m waiting your letters with great impatience! Dinara!!!!


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